A woman driving a stolen car rammed a police cruiser, then led authorities on a wild pursuit Thursday morning that ended with officers dragging her out of the car, according to police and TV news video of the incident.
The chase began about 2:15 a.m. at Sherman Way and Haskell Avenue in Van Nuys, where officers conducted a traffic stop on a vehicle that was reported stolen, said LAPD Officer Irma Mota.
The driver stopped for a moment, but then sped off with police in pursuit, Mota said.
During that chase, the woman stopped again and officers jumped out of their vehicle and ordered her out of the car, Mota said. That’s when the driver threw the car into reverse and rammed the passenger door the police vehicle, injuring the officer who was positioned behind it, Mota said.
The woman then drove off, followed by other officers. She finally stopped after she drove onto a sidewalk and hit a utility pole, police said. Video from the scene showed the woman standing up in her car — the top half of her body poking through the vehicle’s sun roof — and smoking a cigarette.
Officers eventually closed in and grabbed her but she appeared to struggle. After a few moments officers pulled her out of the car and put her face-down on the ground. The woman continued to smoke her cigarette until an officer finally flicked it out of her mouth.
Police identified the driver as Christina Ohanian, 25. She was booked on suspicion of assault with a deadly weapon and driving a stolen vehicle, among other charges.
The injured officer was treated at a hospital and released, Mota said.
A 26-year-old man was arrested Sunday after a Mexican woman he picked up near the border died while hiding in his truck, authorities said.
Efren Jimenez was taken into custody late Sunday when a father and son saw him dragging the woman’s body off a remote canyon road in San Juan Capistrano, according to an affidavit filed this week in U.S. District Court.
Jimenez has been charged with transporting or moving a person who has illegally entered the U.S., according to federal authorities.
Authorities are still seeking to notify the woman’s family of her death, said Lt. Lane Lagaret, a spokesman for the Orange County Sheriff’s Department. The 33-year-old woman’s name has not been released.
An autopsy was performed, but the cause of her death has not been determined, Lagaret said. Authorities are awaiting toxicology test results.
Jimenez’s trip to the border Sunday was prompted by a phone call from a smuggler called “Chorizo,” according to court documents.
Jimenez told federal authorities that the smuggler called him and offered to pay him $380 to transport a man and woman to Los Angeles, Monica Abend, a special agent with U.S. Department of Homeland Security, wrote in the affidavit.
The smuggler instructed Jimenez to pick up the man and woman Sunday afternoon near Viejas Casino in Alpine, according to the agent. He told Jimenez the woman was “slow,” Abend wrote.
At 5:30 p.m., Jimenez met the man and the woman, who was limping, in Campo. They got in Jimenez’s Nissan Titan pickup truck. She laid down on the back seat floor and the man laid flat on the back seat, according to the affidavit.
Jimenez said he gave them water, and then the male passenger told him the woman had asthma.
Before hitting the road, Jimenez met a friend at a gas station near Campo to pick up cash to buy gas. After refueling, he got onto the northbound 5 Freeway.
It was near Carlsbad when things took a turn for the worse, Jimenez told the agent.
The woman started shaking, Jimenez said. The male passenger told Jimenez she was dying, according to the affidavit.
Not long after, the woman was dead, Jimenez told authorities.
Jimenez said he called the smuggler, who instructed him to give her CPR, the agent wrote. He got off the freeway and shook the woman, Abend said.
“Jimenez felt her skin and thought she felt cool,” the agent wrote.
He got back onto the 5 Freeway and called his brother to arrange a meeting at a Carl’s Jr. restaurant in San Juan Capistrano. On his way there, he stopped again to refuel. Jimenez later dropped off the male passenger at the fast food restaurant, according to the affidavit.
He called the smuggler again, Abend said.
“Chorizo” directed Jimenez to drop off the body behind a 7-11 store and call 911,” she wrote.
He instead drove off the road at La Novia Avenue and Forster Canyon Road and removed the woman’s body, according to the affidavit.
That’s when the father and son saw him dragging the woman. They went over and tried to feel for the woman’s pulse, Abend wrote.
When they walked over to Jimenez’s truck to call 911, he motioned at them to leave, according to court documents.
In response, the father took Jimenez to the ground and detained him while they called 911.
As the father and son waited for authorities, they allowed Jimenez to call his girlfriend in Tijuana.
They heard some of Jimenez’s conservation, including the phrases “went bad,” “got messed up” and “I love you.”
Sheriff’s detectives are investigating and could seek charges if they determine a crime was committed, authorities said.
Police have arrested a man who they say tried to kidnap a woman while she was at work in an Irvine baby store, authorities said.
Irvine police arrested Charlie Choi, 47, on suspicion of attempted kidnapping with the intent to commit rape, said Irvine Police Department spokeswoman Kim Mohr.
Police found Choi on Monday around 4:30 p.m. in his Irvine home in the 300 block of Fountainhead, according to an Irvine Police Department news release.
“Police used investigative leads as well as information from the community to apprehend Choi,” according to the news release. He is being held on $1 million bail.
Surveillance video released Monday shows a man in a white shirt and plaid shorts talking to an employee at Mon Beau Bebe in the Woodbury Town Center around 7:20 p.m. He followed her around the store before grabbing her hair and trying to drag her into the storage room by her ponytail.
The woman crouched down on the floor and tried to free herself, and “told him there were video surveillance cameras in the store,” according to an Irvine Police Department news release. After about 15 seconds the man let go of the woman and ran out.
Police are still looking for a motive, Mohr said. “There’s no indication at this point that they knew each other.”
Ariana Grande’s One Love Manchester benefit concert was an all-out charitable effort, but the private collector who has put the crown that she wore to promote her “Dangerous Woman” album up for auction has taken another route.
A spokesman for Nate D. Sanders Auctions said the item was consigned before the Manchester attack and the proceeds will not be donated to charity. The bidding is set to start Thursday at $5,000. Mary Collins of Vauje jewelry, who designed the headpiece with handset rhinestones near its spikes said she sold it last year. That private collector has since consigned it to the auction house, the spokesman said.
Collins did not respond immediately Monday to a request for comment.
Last month 22 people were killed and 119 were injured after a terrorist bomb exploded in Manchester Arena immediately after Grande’s “Dangerous Women” concert tour. After initially postponing the U.K. leg of her tour, the 23-year-old musician helped organize the One Love Manchester concert and returned to Manchester a few weeks later. Held in the city’s Old Trafford cricket ground, the concert featured Justin Bieber, Coldplay and Katy Perry. The event helped raise more than $12.7 million for the victims and their families, according to a published report.
The Manchester City Council made Grande an honorary citizen for pulling together the One Love benefit concerned. At the end of the European leg of her tour, Grande thanked fans via Instagram Monday, “I just wanted to thank you properly for the overwhelming love and support you’ve shown me, my crew and each other during this challenging time. Spending this time with you this month has been so very healing and special! Thank you for being here.”
The two-time Grammy nominee wore the crown for publicity and social media photographs for her third album “Dangerous Woman.” For a mugshot effect, the brunette was photographed in black and white holding lineup-type placards with the names of various tracks spelled out. The Los Angeles-based Collins said had been trying to connect with one of Grande’s stylists Brigitte Pilla before she came into her Melrose Avenue showroom, La Maison de Fashions. “I make a lot of crowns for celebrities. I built a reputation with one of her stylists.” She said. “I’ve made crowns for Kevin Hart, Jason Derulo and Paris Hilton’s dog. I’ve made some for Blue Ivy but I never got pictures of them because Beyoncé is really private. I made some crowns for the Obama daughters because Beyoncé gave them a party, one was graduating and one was having a birthday. I never got pictures from those because that was private.”
Collins did provide laminated photos and a notarized LOA to the crown’s owner. “I had no idea she was going to try to sell it. I wasn’t really trying to get rich off of it. I think I sold it to her for $675. That’s what they retail for on my site,” Collins said. “They’ve been trying to auction it for $10,000. Then I guess it didn’t sell so it went down to $6,000 or $5,000.”
Jerry Buss often worried about his older daughter’s happiness, like many fathers do, so when he considered promoting her to run the Great Western Forum, he thought of the toll such a demanding job would take. “I don’t know if that’s a good life for her,” he told a confidant.
What he didn’t realize then, but learned over the next 15 years, was that nothing mattered more to Jeanie Buss than the family business — than her father’s legacy. She was happiest when she was working to safeguard both. Over and over, she chose those over personal milestones.
Now, 20 years after the fatherly fretting, she is the most powerful woman in sports. She is also one of the most powerful people in sports.
She is the controlling owner of the Los Angeles Lakers, as her late father wished, one of three female governors. Four months ago, she fired her brother and also the team’s 17-year general manager on the same day, and installed trusted friend Earvin “Magic” Johnson as president of basketball operations. Then she prevailed in an ugly court battle with her two older brothers that confirmed she will run the Lakers for the rest of her life.
Now, she faces her greatest test: reviving the NBA’s glamour franchise, which has stumbled badly since her father’s death in 2013. The Lakers have missed the playoffs for four years, including two of the worst seasons in franchise history.
She may not have the answers — yet — but she is unmistakably in charge.
In the difficult moments of the last few months, she’s seemed unflappably protective of the team Jerry left in her care.
That doesn’t mean the realities of life don’t smart once in a while. Sometimes she remembers what she’s lost, and even though she would do it all over again, it hurts.
It did one afternoon in April as she sat inside a posh Greek restaurant, her crisp white blazer gleaming opposite a bright Manhattan Beach courtyard. Silently, she looked down at her napkin as she fought back tears, having just been asked who helped her emotionally through a difficult few months.
The answer was easy, but she wasn’t ready to give it yet.
Their 17-year relationship ended last fall, the strain of living on opposite coasts having pulled them apart. As she spoke her voice trembled, and she started to realize she never talks about this for a reason. She’d later wish she hadn’t said anything at all.
She scolded herself.
“There’s no crying in basketball!” she said, laughing in spite of herself. “It’s been hard for him there. Now, it’s like, he would have been the pillar that I could count on.”
Then, just as quickly as she broke, she healed. She pushed aside the remnants of a watermelon and feta cheese salad as bright as her red patterned shirt. Less than five minutes after her eyes filled with tears that never fell, she buried her personal pain. She smiled like she does while playing hostess from her courtside-adjacent seats at Staples Center.
She was back.
In many ways, this is about a modern American woman. One passionate about her career, one who also wants personal happiness and who’s had to confront the tensions that arise where those two intersect.
She won a beauty contest as a teenager and earned a business degree from USC at 24.
She posed for Playboy magazine, just because she wanted to, in 1995. That same year, she became president of the Forum, the Inglewood arena where the Lakers then played, and became the team’s alternate governor, representing the Lakers at NBA meetings when her father couldn’t.
For me, the burning desire has always been about building what my family had
— Jeanie Buss
She is shy but assumes an outgoing persona when her job calls for it.
She got married once, for three years, in the 1990s, and doesn’t think she’ll do it again. She likes children and would have liked to have some but felt that would have required multitasking she didn’t feel equipped to do.
“For me, the burning desire has always been about building what my family had,” said Buss, now 55. “Making it better and keeping it healthy and strong. That’s a motivating factor for me in my life. I’m in the right place for me. I haven’t always made the right decisions, but everything has been consistent about the choices that I’ve made. That part is easy.”
Her involvement in the family basketball team began in 1979, when her dad left her in charge of greeting Johnson upon his arrival at their home.
The Lakers had just chosen him with the No. 1 pick in the NBA draft. It was the first time Jeanie saw Johnson’s brilliant smile in person. But the pleasantries dissipated when Johnson informed her he planned to spend three years with the Lakers, then go play for the Detroit Pistons. She rushed upstairs to tell her father the bad news, and he told her that would never happen.
That day marked the start of a friendship and business relationship between Jeanie and Johnson that has spanned four decades. In some sense, they grew up together. Johnson came over to play pool and watch the premiere of Michael Jackson’s music video “Thriller” in 1983.
“For my dad to be able to do what he loved to — and that was to go out to nice clubs and nice dinner and bring nice girls with him — he and Earvin shared that,” said Johnny Buss, Jerry’s oldest son. “My sister Jeanie was around my father a lot. [Brother] Jimmy was around my father a lot, but Jimmy and Earvin really never hung out that I remember. … That was really the great trio: Jerry Buss, Jeanie Buss and Earvin Johnson.”
While she worked toward her degree at USC, Jeanie served as president of the L.A. Strings, a World Team Tennis franchise owned by her father. It was her first test on her path toward becoming a sports executive.
“Her father believed in throwing his kids into the pool, and if they could swim, they’d survive,” said Claire Rothman, former president and general manager of the Buss-owned Forum, where the Strings played.
Next, Buss threw his daughter into the roller hockey pool. From 1993 to 1998, she ran the L.A. Blades, whose games drew around 3,000 fans on good days. The coaches sometimes balked at what they saw as Jeanie’s meddling. To this day, some of the Blades coaches grow uncomfortable when asked about her. The players loved her generosity.
Her father “gave her the absolute toughest job he could, and she took it on with full force,” said Steve Bogoyevac, who played for the Blades.
Perhaps the most significant step in Jeanie’s rise was taking over the Forum, where she had worked for more than a decade. It happened in 1995, when Rothman left. Despite Jerry’s misgivings, Rothman insisted Jeanie was the right choice to replace her.
“She was the person that always felt this was the family business,” Rothman said. “She had a feeling of responsibility that she had to contribute and keep it safe.”
That same year, Jeanie started attending NBA board of governors meetings. In her book “Laker Girl,” she describes how an owner grabbed her buttocks during her first meeting. She didn’t allow the indignity to ruin her relationship with the other owners, whom she would eventually join as a peer.
In Jeanie’s mind, her public and personal lives run on separate tracks. It’s why she loves talking about the Lakers but does not love talking about herself.
“I’m a 55-year-old woman; I’m not, like, one of the Kardashians,” she said. “I’m not that interesting.
“I think you can tell by the people who surround me the type of person that I am, and the people I rely on in my close circle are trusted, respected, experienced. I think that should tell the story more than a dating life that’s really not glamorous at all.”
Still, her dating life has drawn avid attention, especially her relationship with Jackson. When they announced their split on Twitter during a Lakers game in December, it was bigger news than the team’s two-point loss that night.
They started dating in 1999, during Jackson’s first season as coach of the Lakers, and Jeanie was open about the relationship. Still, some in the organization didn’t like it that the owner’s daughter was romantically involved with the head coach.
They dated through five championships and two retirements. They got engaged in December 2012. The Lakers fired Jackson’s successor, Mike Brown, just five games into the 2012-13 season.
Jim Buss, then the Lakers’ executive vice president of basketball operations, and general manager Mitch Kupchak contacted Jackson about returning. While he considered the possibility, they hired Mike D’Antoni instead.
“Jimmy didn’t want him because they felt that he would be another voice that would confuse things,” Jeanie said. “And I understood that. But I also knew as long as Phil was sitting in his house in Playa del Rey, any time the Lakers didn’t do well, fans would start chanting his name again.”
When the New York Knicks showed interest in Jackson, he told her he didn’t want to take the job if it meant losing her. She encouraged him to go. Jackson became president of the Knicks in the spring of 2014.
More than 2,500 miles separated them for 2 ½ years. Still, rumors persisted that he would eventually return to the Lakers, the team he had coached to five NBA championships.
“You know the league has never been very amenable, happy about our relationship,” Jackson said. “There’s this … feeling that there could be collusion between those two franchises. So that was something that was difficult for us. It’s not that reason [why the relationship ended] — I think distance is the biggest reason.”
In her statement on Twitter regarding the breakup, Jeanie said the Lakers were the love of her life.
Johnson called her after hearing the news.
“Are you OK, sis?” he asked.
“She was just so taken back,” Johnson recalled. “I said, ‘You know I’m gonna always check on you. Want to know if you’re OK.’ … She was OK. I said, ‘OK. Just hugs and kisses, know if you need somebody to talk to I’m always available. There’s not too many people on this Earth who know you better than I do.’”
By the time of his death in February 2013, Jerry knew Jeanie would always put the Lakers first. He had arranged for her to succeed him as controlling owner. Jim would run basketball operations. Jeanie would oversee the franchise as a whole.
The elder Buss also envisioned a role for Johnson.
Johnson remembers Jerry telling him during his playing days that it was always his dream that Johnson and Jeanie would run the Lakers together. He’d even sold Johnson a small ownership stake.
“I understood the situation with the other boys,” Johnson said. “I said, ‘There’s no way you can put me in place. You can’t do that. You’ve got to let one of them run the basketball side of the Lakers.’”
Although Jerry hoped his oldest son Johnny Buss would take a prominent role in the franchise, Johnny insists he never wanted to run the team. But there is no doubt in his mind, he said, that his father wanted Johnson to help guide the Lakers.
“He looked at it as, here’s the future Jerry West,” Johnny said. “… My dad thought that Earvin might have that ability to become one of the great managers in sports.”
By the start of the 2016-17 season, it was clear that the Lakers needed a change. Jim had promised to step down at the end of the season if the Lakers didn’t make a playoff run. By January, it was obvious there would be no turnaround. Jeanie and Johnson had dinner that month.
On Feb. 21, she fired Kupchak and her brother Jim. She had the public support of her siblings Janie, Joey and Jesse. But it angered Johnny.
“My dad would be spinning in his grave, not just rolling in his grave,” said Johnny, who was a trustee of the family trusts at the time. “There was no reason to do that sort of thing publicly. Why couldn’t you just bring Jimmy in his office and say, ‘Hey, we’re going to reassign you?’”
Jim Buss declined to comment.
On the same day, Jeanie made Johnson the Lakers’ president of basketball operations. If she was to replace a sibling in order to right the team, it would be with someone she regarded as family. (Rob Pelinka, a longtime players’ agent, was later named general manager.)
“That’s hard for me to explain, how I could think he’s a good evaluator for talent, because I’m not an evaluator of talent,” Jeanie said of Johnson. “But I know he knows the type of players that are winners because he’s a winner. That kind of oversimplifies it, but I have confidence that he will put the pieces in place.”
Said Johnson: “You couldn’t trust any individual more than we trust each other. I’m walking in and out of her office all the time every day. We are in constant communication.”
Communication between Jeanie and her older brothers, never all that prolific, had faded since the start of the season.
The shakeup had consequences, though, and they weren’t entirely unexpected.
Jeanie and her five siblings own 66% of the Lakers through trusts that require her to serve as controlling owner. The team’s bylaws say the controlling owner must be a member of the Lakers’ board of directors.
On Feb. 24, three days after the front office purge, Johnny and Jim called a shareholders’ meeting to elect a new board. They nominated four candidates, none of whom was Jeanie.
She reacted swiftly. Her lawyer, Adam Streisand, filed a restraining order to block the meeting. In court papers, Jeanie said her brother Jim was “completely unfit” to oversee basketball operations.
Quickly, powerful people whose respect she had earned through 22 years in the NBA fell in line behind her. The NBA released a statement in support of her ownership. The candidates proposed by the two brothers distanced themselves from the effort to remove her.
“She kept me apprised of everything that was happening,” said Dan Beckerman, president of Anschutz Entertainment Group, which owns Staples Center and is a shareholder of the Lakers. Beckerman was one of the proposed new directors. “That was really her situation to deal with and resolve. As she’s done along the way throughout her career, she did it effectively and with poise and with calm.”
To resolve the litigation, the brothers canceled the board election and signed documents ensuring that Jeanie would be the team’s controlling owner for the rest of her life. Both were removed as trustees of the Buss Family Trusts, replaced by their sister Janie and half-brother Joey.
Johnny maintains that his intention was never to usurp his sister’s authority. He says he worried that Johnson would spend too much in pursuit of a championship. He says he and his brother were aiming for a majority on the board to get control of the budget, but insists he did not know about the effort to elect a board without Jeanie.
“I immediately apologized to Jeanie saying, ‘Hey, look. This is not what I wanted. Please don’t include me in this,’” Johnny said. “Jeanie did not accept my apology. Decided to publicly string me up and you know, it was sad.”
A source close to the Buss family who was not authorized to speak publicly denied that Johnny had ever apologized and insisted that the conflict only became public because of actions taken by Jim and Johnny.
Nearly 40 years ago, Johnny said, he deeply hurt his father by telling him he wasn’t interested in owning the Lakers. Now, he says he wishes he could have sold his shares, something the family trusts make nearly impossible.
“That would be the wonderful thing that could have happened would be just to get out of this whole mess,” Johnny said. “… It’s not my thing. After my dad passed away it wasn’t part of me anymore. Whether it was part of my brother [Jim] I don’t know. I think he was just a scorned, embarrassed man who wanted to get far away from the Lakers also.”
Through the ordeal, Jackson sent Jeanie supportive text messages and urged her to stand her ground.
“I’m happy Jeanie’s kind of cleared the deck and she can run it on her own now,” he said.
Johnson gave her a sense of security during the legal fight.
“I could be distracted by this other crap that was going on, and our basketball team was going to be safe,” Jeanie said. “Maybe that’s what my dad saw. That [Johnson] would always be protective of the thing that my dad loved, which was the Lakers.”
The last six months seem to have answered the question her father once had about how much she could handle.
“He was concerned that I would sacrifice, on a personal level, a relationship and a family, because of my ambition,” she said, looking out onto a pristine Manhattan Beach courtyard. “He worried about me, just as any father would. ‘Are you working too much?’ He would always make sure I was happy.”
He must have known, even then, that for their legacy, she’d happily give everything.
Montebello police fatally shot a woman Saturday after she drove her car toward an officer and her boyfriend, whom she had been fighting with earlier in the day, authorities said.
The incident began when police responded to a disturbance call at the Quality Inn & Suites in the 7700 block of Telegraph Road about 4 p.m., said Deputy K. Moody of the Los Angeles County Sheriff‘s Department, which is investigating the shooting. The woman and her boyfriend, who were not patrons of the motel, had gotten into an argument outside the motel near the pool area, he said.
The two had been drinking, and the woman was heard to say that her boyfriend had taken her purse, Moody said. The woman then started hitting her boyfriend, he said.
When police arrived on the scene, the woman got into her car and drove out of the parking lot, Moody said. Officers were talking with her boyfriend when the woman drove back into the parking lot and toward an officer and her boyfriend, he said.
“At that time, an officer-involved shooting occurred,” Moody said.
The woman, who has not been identified, was taken to a hospital, where she was later pronounced dead, he said.
Sheriff’s homicide detectives are investigating the shooting. Anyone with information is asked to contact the Los Angeles County Sheriff’s Department’s Homicide Bureau at (323) 890-5500. Those who wish to remain anonymous may call “LA Crime Stoppers” by dialing 800-222-TIPS (8477) or using the website http://lacrimestoppers.org
A woman was hospitalized with multiple stings after a swarm of bees attacked her in Huntington Beach on Saturday morning, authorities said.
The Huntington Beach Fire Department received a call shortly after 9 a.m. and arrived to find bees “swarming all over” the woman, said Capt. Robert Culhane.
“They were really aggressive. As soon as we came on, they started coming after us,” Culhane said. He suspected the insects were Africanized honeybees because of their size and aggression. Instead of stinging immediately, the bees would fly into the victim, firefighters or other targets repeatedly, he said.
Firefighters tried to deter the bees with a water-foam mixture — the foam strips the bees of their ability to fly, Culhane said. When they were able to approach the victim, they found even more bees “meshed into the hair,” he said.
The firefighter operating the hose was stung twice but did not need medical attention, Culhane said.
“I’ve never been on a call like that before,” said Culhane, a 28-year firefighting veteran. “They seemed more aggressive than what I was used to.”
The woman was in her 40s, and her condition was unknown, said Huntington Beach Fire Capt. Steve Teasdale.
A Public Works employee examined the area after the attack and didn’t find any bees, Culhane said. People who are swarmed should stay calm, and call 911 if in need of medical attention.
Tinashe sparked a whole Twitter feed’s worth of backlash on Tuesday morning with a markedly frank (or whiny, depending on your perspective) interview with the Guardian. The R&B singer and songwriter spoke about the ways that “colorism” (discrimination based on skin color) has dampened her success as a black female musician.
“There’s colorism involved in the black community, which is very apparent,” Tinashe said. “It’s about trying to find a balance where I’m a mixed woman, and sometimes I feel like I don’t fully fit into the black community; they don’t fully accept me, even though I see myself as a black woman. That disconnect is confusing sometimes. I am what I am.”
And while the 24-year-old has caught the eye of her peers — Janet Jackson personally invited her to perform at the star’s tribute concert in 2015, and she was the opening act on Nicki Minaj’s “Pinkprint” tour — Tinashe feels the music business levies an unspoken cap on women of color. And it’s holding her back.
“There are hundreds of [male] rappers that all look the same, that sound the same. But if you’re a black woman, you’re either Beyoncé or Rihanna. It’s very, very strange.”
The interview ignited fierce debate on Twitter, with users arguing whether her critique held any weight.
Some people chalked up her statements to bitterness.
But many Twitter users urged readers to look deeper.